oil change and filter

oil change and filter

first is it legal to change your own oil and filter?  My fbo charged $199.00 for the first oil change.  I would like to do it my self..

I have a 2004 172 sp.

Is it difficult to change?

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It is legal.  It  is a good idea to do it yourself.  It's also a good idea to get someone to help you through the first time or two so you can learn about safety wiring the filter in place and the tricks to making less of a mess!

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There is a recent, similar thread.  Search the forum and type in "150 Oil Change" in the subject. 

I think $199 is rather steep unless they ran into a lot of problems (you didn't say).  Typically I would think it takes an hour (labor ~$50) and then you have 7-8 quarts of oil ($25-$30) and an oil filter ($26). So I come up with ~$100.

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I need to start doing oil changes for customers!
An oil and filter change should take 30 minutes if the engine is already warmed up.

200 bucks wow!

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> Typically I would think it takes an hour (labor ~$50)

Where can I find labor in the bay area for $50 an hour? Seems $95/hour is pretty typical here. Air West at San Carlos charges that per hour. My last oil change was >$200.

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Yes, check FAR 43.17 Appemdix A(c), for a list of preventive maintenance you are legally able to do.

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Hi Dan

Yes it is legal.
No, you shouldn't do it until you have been taught how to.
You need some tools:
A torque wrench - oil filters have to be torqued just so,
And one of those gadets for fastening safety wire - can't remember the name of it - but it IS important,
I also recommend an oil filter cutter to check for anything in the filter that shouldn't be there.

After you buy all of that stuff?

8 litres of oil plus a filter (Here in Canada that will cost you C$70.00 and you are good to go.

I also add one can of Avblend ($20.00) because I like it. Some people will tell you it is a waste of money. You have to decide that one on your own smile

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Oil Filter ~$25
8Qts Oil ~$35
1-1/2hrs[Flat rate]@ $62.50 = $93.75
So ~$160 gets:
Run-up
De-cowl, drain the oil, replace the filter, Top-off, wash, re-cowl, run-up, inspect for leaks.
Filter inspection
Log entries.
Add $25 for an oil analysis kit & paperwork.

That's just for an oil change, not a 50hr inspection. Different beasts.
If they performed a 50hr inspection then $200 is not out of the realm of possibility.

I whole-heartedly encourage you to perform your oil changes.  Like the previous posters advised, get some tooling, some training,  and some supplies (a tube of Dow Corning 4 and a roll of .032 safety wire should last about 200 oil changes <grin>)

An owner who knows their aircraft inside and out will be very well rewarded when something goes awry. Luck favors the prepared.

On the other hand, if you're not so inclined to get covered in engine oil, disposing of the oil and the filter guts, and being current on your tetanus immunization, then let a shop do it.

Good[ ]  Fast[ ] Cheap[ ] 
(Pick Two)

Best regards,
RH

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Legal but with filter make sure you know what you are doing.  Too many incidents of oil starvation cuz filter not torqued right and oil all blown out.  Real fire hazard too.

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Next time you pay $200, have them put in a quick drain.  Then you will have no problem draining the oil yourself in the future.  Next, I am sure you will be able to find an old timer hanging around the airport to help with the filter.  I think most Champion filters torque to 17lbs. or so....if you get much more than that, you might have a really hard time getting it off, so get your hands on a torque wrench.

Don't forget to change the air in your tires!

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Bryan W wrote:

> Don't forget to change the air in your tires!

Ok .... I can't resist anymore....

Bryan
*why* would you want to change the air in the tires?

This is mere curiosity as I am always looking to add to my list of the peculiar maintenance practices people perform on aircraft.


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RH

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The molecules become compacted after about 50 landings, so they no longer fill the space evenly.
Flying schools change it even more often because of all the bouncers that they typically experience.

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Tony smile

> > Don't forget to change the air in your tires!
>
> Ok .... I can't resist anymore....
>
> Bryan
> *why* would you want to change the air in the tires?

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Tony's absolutely correct!  I've seen the evidence. 
Ony might notice that during those hard landings,
the impact is usually with the bottom side of the tire.
compacting some of the air molecules
Then the tire starts spinning at a tremendous rate,
mixing up the molecules...after several hard landings
and many more compacted molecules, if the plane sits
for awhile, the compacted molecules, being more dense,
will settle back to the bottom.   Being so compacted, they
are unable to maintain the proper shape of the bottom
of the tire.  Fortuantely, my 182 is a pretty rugged beast.
If I were flying an RG, I'd probably be having to not only
change the air in my tires on a regular basis, I'd be having
to change the landing gear on occasion!

Michael

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Sorry guys, just checked back on this thread.  Our mechanics have a standing joke whenever an owner or newbies stop by the hangar.  "We will do this and this and this, and would you like the air in your tires changed also."  Gets them every time.  LOL

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Don't laugh Bryan, Costco in California is changing the air in automotive and truck tires and replacing it with nitrogen.

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I hope CostCo is acutely aware of the dangers involved with using large amounts of nitrogen gas as a room full nitrogen gas will kill quite quicky.

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