Rosen Sun Visors

Rosen Sun Visors

I'm wondering if anyone has some advice regarding an installation problem...

I've received as a gift over the holiday's, a set of Rosen Sun Visors.  Previously, I thought that sun glasses did the same thing so I wasn't going to spend money for these fancy things.  But now that I've got them as a gift, I have a whole different attitude.  So I found myself removing the old visor on the pilot's side and screwing in the new visor.  Turns out the the only thing that got screwed was me!

I'm have trouble in screwing in the new mounting bracket.  There appears to be a metal piece behing the plastic that has a smooth hole for the screw to go through before the it reaches the threaded hole in the strut.  I had a problem getting the old screw out, an it was cuased by this metal strip.  It was applying pressure against the old screw.  That pressure was relieved when I took the old screw out and now the metal strip is preventing me from getting the new screw in.  It's enough off center to get in a #8-32 screw, but the hole is for a #10-32 screw.  The visors came with #8-32 screw and it was only until I found out it wouldn't tighten that I decided to check the screw sizes. 

I couldn't find a drawing of what this metal strip is and before I tackle this, I'm wondering if anyone has some advice as to what this metal piece is and what it is going to take to straighten out the problem.  I don't want to crossthread the screw and really mess things up.  So for now, it's sun glass time when turning southwest.

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Barry,
That metal strip holds your wings on.  Just kidding.  But I was considering Rosen's also so please let us all know what you find out....before we're ALL screwed smile .  What model is your plane?
Bob

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Bob,

I have a 1973 C172M.  I'll post the results.

I called Rosen and asked them for some suggestions.  They didn't have a clue of what I was talking about.  The representative said they never have seen this metal strip in all the replacements they've done.  So of course I questioned what I was seeing and got a better look yesterday with a mirror and flashlight.  No change to my original conclusion. Indeed I have this metal strip with drilled holes that are not cocentric with the tapped holes. In hindsight, that is why getting old screws out required an unusual amount of force not only to break it free but to unscrew it the entire length.  There was only a slight amount of oxidation (corrosion) on the tip of the 3/4" - #10-32 aluminum machine screw that came out of the holes.

I'm looking for suggestions and if anyone knows what this metal strip might be.

I've thought of putting a flat tipped nail punch in the hole on one side and try to move it without messing up the threads behind the metal strip..  Haven't tried yet didn't have the punch with me.  I got the impression the metal strip is not real loose. Forcing the metal strip into place on one side and putting the screw in the other has the potential for gauling the threads on the screw or internal threads.  Additionally, what do I do if the second hole doesn't line up.  Now I'll have one screw in and the metal stripped jamed against it.

Also what is this metal strip doing and why did it move.  I wouldn't think the visour support was desiged to keep it in place.

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Maybe the old holes' threads were stripped at some point and someone added a "reinforcer" strip to hold the visor in place.

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Im not completely familiar with the Rosen visors but I did change mine to some that I purchased from Plane Plastics.  I was spoiled from flying a new 172 so I wanted the tinted visor for my "71" L model.  I really like them but I have had an issue with being able to fully retract them so they are out of the way.  I strongly suggest that if the replacements are any different size than origional you better make sure that there is enough room for free movement.  I am going to trim about 3 inches from the bottom of mine. 

Not sure about your screw problem, but do know I had a tuff time getting mine tight and secure.

Good luck, and even with the troubles the new visors are a convienience that is well worth it!

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Tony,

I check out the fit and don't believe I'll have the same problem you are describing.

Nevertheless, thanks for the input.

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Barry; what was the outcome?  Did you get them to work?

      Dave

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OK For those interested I determined (I believe) that the interference strip is the upper windscreen retainer.  I looked at figure 30 my parts catalog and that's the only think up there.  I've never installed a windscreen but I can't imagine this is good news.  Does thiis make sense to anyone out there?

Anyone have some suggestions?  I wasn't going to replace the windscreen yet.  What would cause the windscreen retainer to shift position?  Any lateral forces on it?  Any easy way of repositoning it?

Drilling a larger hole to clear the interference is possible but I'm concerned about getting metal filings inside the threaded hole for the screws and then not being able to get he metal out.  I bought a #10-32 tap as the threads don't look that good and might have been gauled while removing the screws.

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Barry--did you ever figure it out?  Would love to hear the final chapter.  I was thinking about getting them also.  Thanks.
E-mail me if possible.
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I suggest you call Rosen and talk to Mike 1-541-747-0034
if he does not know he can direct you to someone that will,
Eddie

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Eddie,

That was the first thing I tried. I called Rosen back in January.  They were no help.

I just haven't had any time to borrow a dremmil tool with a flexible drive and get it all together.  Maybe things will slow down soon.  In the mean time, my sunglasses work fine.  Besides, if I just don't turn southwest in the late afternoon, i don't need it! (grin)

Blue skies...........

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Success. 

Finally the moon, the stars, and the planets all aligned just right and I got enough time to finish the job.  I obtained a Dremul tool and right angle drive. Using a mutipurpose 1/8" bit, I enlarged the hole and removed the interference, blew it out with compressed air and was able to screw in the new Sunvisors Visors.

I'd like to correct what I wrote initially.  The interference was the outer, aluminum, headliner retaining strip.  The holes in the strut are not tapped holes.  There is a retaining metal strip that houses a lock nut.  The nut just repositioned itself when I installed the proper screw (#10-32). 

Instead of using the dremul to enlarge the hole in the headliner retaining strip, I could have forced it up to eliminate the interference.  The reason I still decided to enlarge the hole was to facilitate installation (it's an awkward area to work) and to avoid problems when removing the screw in the future.

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After all of that are they worth it? Give us the scoop.

Great job,

Chris

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Funny you should ask. 

So there I was pulling onto runway 09 at 7:15 am this morning.  The sun was lined up at the far end, tossed my sunglass out the window, lowered my new shades (visors) and climbed into the sun .....

I doesn't get better than that!

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That was suppose to read:

"It doesn't get better than that!"

<Give us the scoop>

There are other ways to spend ~$230 than this.  Considering I can replace it with a pair a sunglasses for $60 (designer brand). I'm not so sure it's worth it. 

If I was redoing my interior (which I am) and the old cruddy visors couldn't be "fixed-up", then I would compare the cost of replacement visors with these.  Add the cost of a new pair of sunglasses and then decide.

I can think of a time when I was turning Final for Runway 27 at sunset, and guess what, I almost had to go around because I didn't have my sunglasses on.  I probably should have gone around, come to think of it.   With these visors installed i probably could have landed without a hick-up.  Considering it's human nature to be favorly subjective of ones own work (especially after spending money), I need a whole lot more perspective before objectively deciding.

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I'd add to this discusson my own experience.

I purchased a set of replacement visors from Ultavisor (www.ultravisor.com) for $160.  Took me 10 minutes to install them and they work great.

I looked at Rosen but didn;t want to spent the money please I feel that they are TOO big.  The ultravisor's are a little bit smaller, just my own personal preference.  I could have bought sun glasses, I have a nice $70 pair of Randolphs I keep in the plane that I don't wear.  I don't like to wear them, or watches or rings for that matter.  I know, I'm weird.  For me the tinted visor was a great benefit for me.  It's nice to lower it, have the sun blocked and still be able to see whats ahead.

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I had a set of the Rosen visors but removed them because at night they seemed to turn into a mirror and reflected ground lights or any other light that was present.  I am interested to hear of your experiences with both the Rosens and the smaller Ultravisors.

Thanks.   Barry B

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I've already done a number of hours at night and have not noticed this effect.  Admittedly I don't fly with them "down" at night.

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Neither did I , I noticed this effect when they were folded up, either against the headliner, and to an even greater degree if they were folded forward but I suspect that with the smaller version, the mirror effect would be reduced.

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I have noticed a minor mirror effect with the visor down during the day.  I'll pay more attention as to how much of a nuisance it is.  I can not go back now without a real hassle finding all the old hardware.  I'm hoping this mirror effect is not going to be a spoiler.

Bottom line is that I hope this thread is valuable to others.

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Barry, I'd really be interested in your assessment.  I agree they are fabulous in the sun.

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David,
How does the size of the Ultravisors compare with the original equipment visors?  The orig. visors seem too "short" for me but the Rosens seem a little "long". Any advice is appreciated--thanks!
Bob

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I considered installing Rosens, but they seem so HUGE. Instead, I chose the A.R.F.C. visors from Plane Plastics. They're about half the price of the Rosens and were a piece of cake to install. The A.R.F.C. visors are just the right size IMHO.

<http://planeplastics.com/a_sunvisors.asp>

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Stan,
How does the size of the ARFC visors compare with the original equipment visors? The orig. visors seem too "short" for me but the Rosens seem a little "long". Any advice is appreciated--thanks!
Bob

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The length of the A.R.F.C. visors is about halfway between the OEM visors and the Rosens.

Send me an e-mail and I'll send you a photo of them in the "down" position.

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