Tail Dragger Conversion

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I have been looking as well to convert my 172M/180HP to a tailwheel but have yet to find anyone who offers parts, supplies and service.

Last year I met up with Steve Wilson of BuzzOff Aviation, Sand Point, ID at a fly-in in the backcountry of Idaho.

He was working on an 172 tailwheel conversion hoping for an STC this year.

I have yet to hear back from him but will post any results as I get them.

His email was This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it at tx. 208-255-1903.

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Mike
'76 C172M/180HP PenYann N80670

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

This is a good discussion. I, too, am sold on tailwheel airplanes. Always have been. Primarily because of all those cool WWII fighters I grew up fantasizing about flying. I'm in the market for a C152 Texas taildragger, preferrably with a bigger engine (150 or 180 hp).

My tailwheel instructor (who has made quite a name for himself out in the Northeast) was of the opinion that a tailwheel airplane is designed with rudder authority that is unmatched by a converted tailwheel airplane (such as a C152 Texas taildragger). He believed that a C150 or 152 does not have enough rudder for tailwheel operations, e.g., not very good in strong crosswinds, not enough rudder to adequately prevent ground loops, etc.

Being the highly-experienced instructor that I am, I've always been skeptical of his biases.

What do you guys with extensive first-hand experience in Texas taildragger C150/152s think about this? Is he somewhat correct, or is he kinda full 'o crap?

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Gnrlzd-I thought that's what the VG's on the vertical were for or at least helped with?

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I have been flying a 172GTD (Bolen Conversion) for 5 years now and have done three airframe modification one about every 18 months.Each mod did improve performance, first wing tips then engine and last VGs witch made a big difference in the tail performance.Slight but noticeable Rudder authority during fast taxing,and a big difference on takeoff.Before the VGs during Wheel landings the tail wanted to hang even with full flap and carrying extra air speed.It still has this tendencies but at a considerably slower approach with 1/2 flaps.This aircraft loves 3 point landings even in a brisk crosswind.Also Before the VGs during take off the tail would slowly raise up just before the mains brake the ground, in other words "flying its self off". Now the tail pop's up! and the plane has to be held down to gain vx speed were it demands to fly! Omni-Vision and  sweptback tail  172's were not designed to be tail draggers but can be converted to tail wheel airframes, they have the own unique ground, takeoff and landing characteristics.The Bolen Conversion is very forgiving

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I have a friend that is looking to convert a c-150 to a taildragger. and is looking to find an stc.
Could you lead us in the right direction please?
Thanks BG Edwards

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

Try Harry Dellicker at Del Air in Porterville, CA. He may know what to tell you about the Texas Taildragger conversion.

I am about 45% done installing my Bolen/Bush/Avcon Tailwheel conversion on my 59' C175XP. It is alot of tedious work but not hard if you have any aptitude.

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> Try Harry Dellicker at Del Air in Porterville, CA.
> He may know what to tell you about the Texas
> Taildragger conversion.
>
> I am about 45% done installing my Bolen/Bush/Avcon
> Tailwheel conversion on my 59' C175XP. It is alot
> of tedious work but not hard if you have any
> aptitude.

P.S. See my Blog on the Cessna 175 & Skylark Club website.

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

Can anyone tell me what actual tailwheel is fitted to the C152 t/w conversion, I have a low time aerobat with Aircraft Conversion Tech gear but no identification on tailwheel, I can see it's a 6" solid and looks like a Scott but it's not, has letters B&K stamped on the hub. It's a very nice set up and smooth with no shimmy, I need to purchase some spare steering springs and need to know what it actually is (it not a Maule t/w either)

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

Try David Lowe, Lowes Aviation, Sacramento KY

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I am looking to convert my 1978 172N to a tail dragger. None of the posts tell me who to contact to begin.
I am interested in upgrading the engine size as well.
ANY info on who to contact about this would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Rick
817-307-5840-cell

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

I am also looking for a kit to convert my 150/150 to a taildragger

any ideas thanks Jeff
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Can you tell me how to contact Mr. Williams or any other contact to order a Bolen Tail Dragger Conversion for my 175A
Ted

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Can any one tell me the contact numbers or e-mail address of any one doing a Cessna 172 or 175 tail dragger conversion kit
Like Ron Fravel ?
Like Bob/Robert Williams
Thanks to any one who can help me !
Ted Slessor 705-398-8243 / cell 705-498-2790
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I have a 56 172 that I would like to convert to a Taildragger. I have tried to contact Del Air , Fravel and Bolen but have had no luck in my quest.
last time I talked with Dave Stoots in Fairbanks he said that his STC is still in the process.
Is there anyone out there w/ a Fravel STC that wouldnt mind looking at their paperwork and posting the phone number or address here on the forum or emailing it to me so I can contact them?
I would be very grateful and would appreciate any help.

thanks much,
Charlie

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Hi, my name is james powell and I am trying to do a tial conversion to my 1963 C-150 fastback. I have had no luck so far contacting aircraft conversion technologies or a pile of other places. Can some one please e mail me any info with contact information about who has the STC for the conversion or who can sell me a kit with the STC. Thanks very much

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

A little bit of information that I have found concerning engine size upgrades and tail conversions.

Bush conversions in Kansas offer tail conversion and engine upgrade conversion kits. There number is (316) 782-3851. They can be hard to get hold of but my AME has done 3 of their engine upgrades and thinks well of the company. They say it can take 90days to get a tail kit ready for you and shipped. I am in Canada so I think that is why it might take so long. Kit is around $4,500 US and you need to buy the Tail wheel seperate from Alaskan bush wheels. Scott 3200 about $1000 US. Also if you have a 150 A,B,C,D,E,L,M model you need the gear from either a F,G,H,J or K model for the STC. 6 hudred tires are also needed. They recon on 100hrs to install the kit with the right tools from an AME. So by my figures I need to get new tires, hubs gear legs as well as tail wheel, and tail kit plus instal should run be $12,000 to $14,000 canadian dollars. Hope this helps some of you. Cheers

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James Powell Wrote:
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> A little bit of information that I have found
> concerning engine size upgrades and tail
> conversions.
>
> Bush conversions in Kansas offer tail conversion
> and engine upgrade conversion kits. There number
> is (316) 782-3851. They can be hard to get hold of
> but my AME has done 3 of their engine upgrades and
> thinks well of the company. They say it can take
> 90days to get a tail kit ready for you and
> shipped. I am in Canada so I think that is why it
> might take so long. Kit is around $4,500 US and
> you need to buy the Tail wheel seperate from
> Alaskan bush wheels. Scott 3200 about $1000 US.
> Also if you have a 150 A,B,C,D,E,L,M model you
> need the gear from either a F,G,H,J or K model for
> the STC. 6 hudred tires are also needed. They
> recon on 100hrs to install the kit with the right
> tools from an AME. So by my figures I need to get
> new tires, hubs gear legs as well as tail wheel,
> and tail kit plus instal should run be $12,000 to
> $14,000 canadian dollars. Hope this helps some of
> you. Cheers

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> Kristopher Hoopes Wrote:
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> -----
> > Try Harry Dellicker at Del Air in Porterville,
> CA.
> > He may know what to tell you about the Texas
> > Taildragger conversion.
> >
> > I am about 45% done installing my
> Bolen/Bush/Avcon
> > Tailwheel conversion on my 59' C175XP. It is
> alot
> > of tedious work but not hard if you have any
> > aptitude.
>
> P.S. See my Blog on the Cessna 175 & Skylark Club
> website.


Thinking about a taildragger conversion for an old straight tail 150...  Are there any web sites I can look at for info about STCs/ kits?

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

On the subject of tail wheel conversions for the Cessna 150: does anyone know what the empty weight is after getting rid of the nose wheel? And more importantly, does this give....larger pilots more payload carrying capability?

I've looked all over and haven't seen this addressed anywhere.

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I have a '56 C-172 with a Bolen conversion.  Can you advise who the contact is now for this STC?  If so please reply at the above email address.

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

best stcs for cessna 150 to tailwheel!  David Lowe , Sacramento, Ky.  270-736-9051.   His stc  uses 140  parts  which are fairly easy to find.  Also there are new parts from Univair if you dont go used route.

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i am looking how to get a stc for a 150 cessna for the taildrggur

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Kristopher Hoopes Wrote:
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> Try Harry Dellicker at Del Air in Porterville, CA.
> He may know what to tell you about the Texas
> Taildragger conversion.
>
> I am about 45% done installing my Bolen/Bush/Avcon
> Tailwheel conversion on my 59' C175XP. It is alot
> of tedious work but not hard if you have any
> aptitude.

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Re: Tail Dragger Conversion

Charlie,

Did you ever get the STC information for your 172? If not...why go through all the hassel of changing yours over when.....

I have a 1976 172 with tailwheel conversion already done..with a 180hp O-360 and constant speed prop. New Paint. Also..has a Horton and Micro Aero VG kit installed. Would be a great AP for Alaska!

I am selling my 172 at a very reasonable price...I am being transfered out of Washington state and cannot take it with me.

If interested, please call me direct at (360) 588-1460.

Thanks,
Hans

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