C-172 Flying with Cabin Door Removed

C-172 Flying with Cabin Door Removed

<HTML>I own a 180 hp converted C-172N.  We have authorization to fly with a Cabin Door removed for ariel photography purposes.  Has anyone done this??  I'm interested to see what major flight characteristics I need to be aware of.  Reading our paperwork makes me wonder... it says... no smoking in flight with the door removed... how the @#$ is one expected to light something with all that air blowing around in the cabin anyway??? (just a thought)

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<HTML>One of the problems involving flight with doors removed is the possibility of having a lit cigarette fly out of you hand and end up in the rear baggage compartment and start a fire.  Dirt, seeds, grass clippings from your shoes when you entered, and all sorts of other debris will end up in your face.  If you wear eyeglasses, you're likely to lose them.  (Try landing while you're blind.)  Communications are almost impossible.  If you sideslip the aircraft any, you might find the cabin has become an open pocket and windows can crack and pop out of the cabin.  Charts are impossible to hang onto and if anyone gets airsick, I promise you'll never forget the experience, especially if it hits the inside of your windshield and you can't see through it to land, and you can't see by sticking your head outside because the wind blows your eyeballs out.  Enjoy.</HTML>

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<HTML>Maybe you can find a skydiving operation that may use a 182 or 206 that flies without a door possibly see if you can ride along. You may then decide on a camera port. or swing out window.
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<HTML>Im not sure if this would allpply here,but Bubble Windows may be a solution.</HTML>

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<HTML>If your window opens you can remove the little prop with one screw and it will stay up against the wing except at very low speeds. I do it with the door off for those that want to but most find it intimidating and have decided they prefer to focus between the strut and cowl or shoot while I yaw or lift the wing. Everything George Horn says applies in triplicate. Many planes only have an opening window on the pilot side. I often fly from the right seat if the wind favors shooting that way.  I've had big Sony commercial cameras and an Arriflex 35mm in there, there is room to shoot through the window.

Trying a  jump plane is a great idea. I haven't seen an STC for a 172 to remove the door, do you mind giving more info?</HTML>

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<HTML>Part 105 has or did have a list of aircraft approved for flight with a door removed. The US Parachute Association holds the STC's for several aircraft. One requirement being the use of an emergency parachute for each person onboard. Also filing a 337. Some prior planning will prevent stuff flying all over. We use our shop 172 for photography and jumping, with seperate W&B's for seats in and out. Communication does require some volume, but is not much of a problem. Air to air shots are much easier with the passenger seat removed and the photographer seated on the floor facing out. Of course, this is not for the weak kneed. This has been done in one form or another for years, quite safely. Single engine Cessna's behave quite well without the dooralthough the 206 must have a deflector on the forward edge of the door.

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<HTML>WE fly our c-172 & 182 without doors all the time...(jumping), just make sure loose objects,seatbelts,headsets,pee bottles,children,etc. are secured or removed from a/c.The a/c flies the same! Just more wind & noise! Sometimes you get a thruming noise (caused by wind) in certain configurations, especially in turning descents,(you'll know what I mean once you hear it) don,t worry... just change the config. a little and the thrum will go away.If you plan on doing alot of flying with the door off and someone sitting in front passenger seat, you may want to look into getting some safer seat belts(maybe military type?) .I've seen people accidetally unlatch their seatbelt while wiggling around trying to get that special photo shot.
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<HTML>I shoot alot of aerials with the passenger door removed and shoot out the right behind the strut. I fly at 65 mph and 10 flaps.
There is almost no wind except in the back although it is noisy without a headset. Not quite as noisy as my cub and alot less wind. The airplane flies great up to 100 mph then the rear windows start to really flex. I have a sectional on a clip on the copilots yoke and I have never had one blow out yet.
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<HTML>Thanks to all who provided their input.  I still have not flown without the door yet but am anticipating it in the next few weeks.

To those who inquired... Jim I think did... our authorization came from a previous owner who simply wrote a letter and submitted it to the local FSDO for approval.  They responded with an approval letter and list of criteria which must be adhered to.  No smoking, tie down everything, no steep turns, etc..  All the Duh Kind of stuff.

They only approved it for Jumping or Photography.... so keep a camera in the seat pocket... right??</HTML>

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<HTML>I just got the door off approval for my c-172 and one of the requirements is a guardrail or safety device for the door off.
Does anyone have any info on a suitable device?
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I'm wondering if anyone can help me out with the question of whether or not the door is required equipment for the C172. I live in Canada, and couldnt find a thing on it in the CARS, and the POH also doesnt even list it in the equipment list. Anybody know if its in the Canadian Air Regs, or required equip at all?

Obviously it's being done during these photography/skydiving flights, but what were the procedures to get the permit and is the permit allowing you to side-step some regulation or whats the deal?

Cheers, LJ

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I been shooting aerial stills from Skyhawks for the last 10 years now, never found the need to remove any of the doors,when you can just remove one screw on the window opening actuator! Open the window slowly in flight & it will stay up with the airflow under the wing, ideally tape it with velco at the point of contact (window sill & under wing).
One can shoot both with 50mm & 200mm lens avoiding the wing strut,wing ecc... Important that the 2 window hinges are in good state & present no play, you don't want to loose the window that can damage or restrict the empenage controls! Safety is no accident it must be planned!

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If your window opens you can remove the little prop with one screw and it will stay up against the wing except at very low speeds. I do it with the door off for those that want to but most find it intimidating and have decided they prefer to focus between the strut and cowl or shoot while I yaw or lift the wing. Everything George Horn says applies in triplicate. Many planes only have an opening window on the pilot side. I often fly from the right seat if the wind favors shooting that way. I've had big Sony commercial cameras and an Arriflex 35mm in there, there is room to shoot through the window.

I am doing research for a book - The window that opens and will stay up against the wing, is it large enough for a man with a parachute on to climb through?

Thanks,
Marcy

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THE OPENING PILOT SIDE WINDOW IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO JUMP OUT, PLUS YOU ARE PRONE TO GETTING STUCK OR DEPLOYING THE CHUTE PREMATURELY! HOWEVER IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION ONE CAN POSSIBLY ESCAPE/SLIDE THROUGH & OUT IF THE PERSON IS A SMALL SIZE FRAME.

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Thank you so much! That answers my question and gives me the correct direction for the novel.

I appreciate it!

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The windows on the Cessna 172 aren't big enough for an adult sized person to exit through.

Hope this helps
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I been shooting successful aerials images from a fully open window for the last 12 years from the Skyhawk, much safer & wiser then removing the door,you get the same results! http://airphotomalta.blogspot.com

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