removing rear seats

removing rear seats

i am starting the planning on a trip around the country next june. i have been trying to fiqure out how to get the max out of useful load w/o reducing the fuel. then it occurs to me...remove the rear seats. any wrong idea here? what will the weight savings be?...we want to put our cooler and tents back there....anyone else ever done this?
suggestions or thoughts?
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What kind of aircraft?  The FAA has been big on a couple things the past few years about seat removal.  One, the manufacturer of your aircraft must have provisions somewhere for whatever seat configuration you are going with.  An aircraft like a C210 would be no problem to have the bench seat out or even all 4 back seats removed.  Also, make sure you have a certified mechanic do the removal and have them document the work and have an amended W&B.  You can't do it yourself as it doesn't fall under preventative maintenance.  However, if you can find a seat removal training program for your aircraft then you just might be able to it, but chances are you won't find one.  Anyway, just consult your shop/A%P/IA and they will be able to help you out.

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I do this in my 172 for the Oshkosh trip and when hauling some cargo for work.  Legally you are supposed to amend you weight and balance.  I have never weighed my seat but the extra room is a plus.  I have a cargo net and secure this over the load in case of turbulence.  The seat takes about 10 minutes to remove since it is a tight fit.  You can put a lot of stuff back there and I use most of the space.  Careful packing and organization helps.  When stopping enroute the things I wanted always seemed to be on the bottom of the pile.

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It's also a good idea to start with your aircraft's Type Certificate Data Sheet, which sometimes refers you to the Equipment List.

For example, you'll see a reference in the earlier 172 TCDS to seating, which indicates 2 @ +36, 2 @ +70, and for child's optional jump seat, refer to the equipment list.

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Since my kids are out on their own, I routinely leave one of my middle row of seats out in my T210. For yrs I did this without having any paperwork done but about 5 yrs ago at annual I asked them to do paperwork for one seat out, or two out and have W & B forms for all  the configurations. My motivation for doing the paperwork (ie be legal) was as much motivated by the language in insurance policies that could void your insurance as it was to p;ass a ramp check. I have been ramp checked before.

The seats in the 210 weigh 17 and change. Having one out makes it easy for coolers, mtn bikes, camping gear etc. Its a bit of a pain to remove a seat in the 210 as u have to remove the front seat first, then the rear after removing a gazillion screws from the seat rail to open a space to slip the seat up and out. Take your electric drill driver with you for the project....

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Hi Charlie,

I have a '58 172 and did exactly what you want to do.
 
I take out the back seat for extended trips to Canada every summer.  It adds about 29 lbs to useful - but the big plus is the ease of packing - nothing like a flat floor!!

I had my mechanic remove the seat (6 minutes!), weight it on an official scale and recalc the W&B.  I keep both copies (w/ and w/o seat) of the W&B in the aircraft.  That way I'm good to go either way.  Make sure you strap everything down.  Enjoy!

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Anybody ever seen folding rear seats for a C-172M, 1974?

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Hello, I recently started flying a 1959 C172.  I'm still trying to figure out how to remove the rear seat.  I'm mechanically challenged!  Can anyone offer some advice?  Thanks!

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One AN4 behind the seat back, going into the floor, on the aircraft center line. Two AN4's, thru the seat frame into the side walls. One AN4, visable from the front of the seat, going into the floor, again on the centerline. Job best done by two people, when bolts removed, tilt one side of the bench seat ( seat back folded fwd ) as high as you can up, towards the roof. Wiggle the low side down, until it's as low as it can go. Might have to 'persuade' it past the armrest a little. Dont go so high as to poke the headliner. Pull tilted seat fwr & out the door. All this assumes crew seats removed first.

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W Ron Brent Wrote
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> I do this in my 172 for the Oshkosh trip and when
> hauling some cargo for work.  Legally you are
> supposed to amend you weight and balance.  I have
> never weighed my seat but the extra room is a
> plus.  I have a cargo net and secure this over the
> load in case of turbulence.  The seat takes about
> 10 minutes to remove since it is a tight fit.  You
> can put a lot of stuff back there and I use most
> of the space.  Careful packing and organization
> helps.  When stopping enroute the things I wanted
> always seemed to be on the bottom of the pile.
>
> Ron
Hi Ron,
I am looking for a cargo net for a cessna 185. I see in your posting that you have a cargo net. Can you help me.

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Hi all,
I am looking for a cargo net for a cessna 185. Can anyone help?

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