Re: Vista Nav
Here's a thread from another site that might be helpful.
Date: August 11, 2006 10:25AM
While at KOSH I came across this system which includes synthetic vision, wx and a whole lot of other things that you can read about on their website vistanav.com. This would seem to have all the features of the Garmin 496 plus more. Does anyone on this site use this?
Date: August 13, 2006 06:55PM
VistaNav looks like a great system, although it seems rather expensive. I like the solid state bluetooth gyro. That makes a great backup. On the other hand, you might try this:
I'm considering ordering the software above. It offers much the same as VistaNav but at a fraction of the cost. You can also use any tablet pc and aren't limited to the motion LS800.
Date: August 14, 2006 09:17AM
If you get this software please let us know how well this works. I agree with your posting regarding the cost of their system though compared to the Garmin stuff it seems like good value. They state that the Microsft gps works with this and of course can be plugged into your tablet computer. How about the WX reciever? What would you suggest?
Date: August 15, 2006 10:46PM
I'm receiving my tablet pc on Thursday. I'd been using an OQO (great device, but the screen was a bit too small) and Anywhere Map, which is a horrid little program. I'm going to try out the Flightprep software and see how it stacks up against Vistanav. I'll let you know what I think...
Date: August 21, 2006 10:06PM
Got the Flight Prep software and so far it seems fantastic. Yes, it's a bit more limited than the VistaNav software but I also saved $2,000. Seems like a pretty good deal. Fortunately I live in Oregon so I was able to head down to Aurora airport to see a live demo of it before I bought. Rick is the sales rep to speak with if you have questions. The # there is 503-678-4360. Now I just need to buy a yoke mount to play with it while flying. By the way, the other big limitation with VistaNav is that it only works with the Motion LS800. While that's the tablet I have, Rick at Flightprep was using a much larger tablet, and I have to say it looked pretty fantastic. Hope this helps.
Date: August 21, 2006 10:54PM
Does the data base of this software cover Canada?
Date: September 06, 2006 10:20PM
Well, the Flightprep software is pretty solid. The moving map feature is great as is the HITS display. The only complaint is that the screen refreshes every second or so which makes it a bit jerky. On the Vistanav site the refresh rate seems very fast. On the other hand, you'll save a bundle. I'm pretty impressed with this package.
Date: September 07, 2006 12:23PM
Does the approach plate and GPS position on it..moving map stuff really work? - thx
Post Date: September 07, 2006 02:15PM
Yes, it works, but anything based on Windows...
Just use caution. The position info is accurate, and the approach plates are a nice feature, but not something to use as a primary resource.
Post Date: September 07, 2006 03:09PM
I am looking at a system also and I must be confused at what is needed. At the VistaNav site the price for their system appear to be $4,299 and at the FlightPrep site theirs is $4,515.
I don't see the price savings you mention. I am trying to compare apples to apples. What am I overlooking?
Posted by: paulnptld (126.96.36.199)
Date: September 07, 2006 04:23PM
Price for a motion LS800 is around $2,000. On the other hand, there are tons of daylight viewable tablets that can be had for less. The complete software for FlightPrep is $496. Add a bluetooth receiver for $100 and USB WX for another $400. Less than $3k for the complete system, including an LS800 tablet. If you already have a tablet pc the other advantage is obvious. Unfortunately, Vistanav only works with the LS800 tablet.
Date: September 07, 2006 08:53PM
To me, the overwhelming advantage of the VistaNav is the INU that gives you a glass panel attitude indicator. Moving maps, wx, approach plates...all that stuff is great, but none of that would mean a whole lot to me if I was in IMC and my vacuum pump and/or electrics took a dump.
A glass panel that's independant of the airplane's vacuum or electric? That's worth it's weight in gold to me.
Date: October 06, 2006 09:48AM
Well, my partner's broke down and bought the VistaNav system with the WxWorx package. I flew it yesterday for the first time and I definitely stick by my earlier comment - that thing would be worth it's weight in gold in IMC if your vacuum and/or electrics went south.
The amount of information it can present is very impressive. The refresh rate is indeed as fast as what is shown on their demo, and a software update is coming out that supposedly will make it even faster. The bluetooth INU is really amazing. As I turned on to the runway for takeoff, the display showed virtually the exact same picture on the screen that I was seeing out the windshield. The HITS display is really nice. Select a waypoint and it lays down a 3D highway for your route. If ATC vectors you, a Radar Vectors mode can be selected which puts your flight plan on hold. When ATC says "Resume own navigation", punch the RV button and it redraws your route to the waypoint from your current position, unlike my GPS, which would show a crosstrack error of "X" miles.
Overall, I'm very impressed with the system. I can't wait to use it some more.
Date: November 10, 2006 10:27AM
Does anyone have any knowledge of the reliability of VistaNav? I have a Garmin 196 and am considering upgrading. The 496 is nice with weather downloads, fast refresh rates, etc..... but the INU with VistaNav brings something to the table no other GPS product at this point does (at least to my knowledge).
Date: December 09, 2006 12:39PM
>It offers much the same as VistaNav but at a fraction of the cost. You can also use any tablet pc and aren't limited to the motion LS800.
Provided that your tablet meets spec for the software:
Computer Requirements: Windows XP, Pentium 1.2GHz, 512MB RAM, 15GB disk space (software requires about 10GB), external or internal DVD drive
Thats a high end tablet.
Date: December 09, 2006 02:26PM
I'm thinking of upgrading to VistaNav from FlightPrep's software. Flighprep has a nice product at a fraction of the cost, but it's not very intuitive and has crashed a few times. The in flight mode seems like an afterthought, and the refresh rate isn't nearly as fast as VistaNav. If anyone has tried VistaNav I'd really like to hear your opinion on it before I spend the money. I have an LS800 already so it looks like it would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $2,500 for the remainder of the system.
Date: December 16, 2006 01:47AM
I thought long and hard for many years about going the tablet/WxWorx route instead of the 396/496 - but the deal killers for me were (1) the WxWorx antenna vs. the Garmin weather XM antenna(which is much smaller and does not need a seperate power cable) and (2) the Microsoft operating system vs. the much more dependable Garmin operating system.
I just wish Garmin would get their act together with a large screen, 3D view, and artificialy horizon, ala Vista Nav.
Date: December 31, 2006 02:50PM
I too have looked at and like the features of VistaNav.
Have you seen any problems bugs or quirks with it?
Has anyone worked with Trueflight?
Date: January 01, 2007 04:06PM
My partners and I have one with the WxWorx package. We initially had a few issues, but they have all pretty much been resolved by VistaNav's latest software release.
Personally, I love it. Just flew a 1000 nm trip last week and it performed beautifully. They've added some new features that are real nice, like E-Glide. You plug in some numbers for your particular airplane and it calculates all the nearest airports your capable of gliding to engine-out.
But I think the most reassuring feature is that attitude indicator that's independant of the rest of the airplane. I haven't seen anything else out there that matches everything it can do for the money.
Date: March 14, 2007 09:41AM
For you guys looking at vistanav, true flight has about the same program jam up and jelly tight. The new tablet samsung q1 that cost about a $1000. in best buy samsung Q1 also sells on ebay. The Ls-800 is a boat anchor and the samsung is 9 inches tall 7 inches wide and 1 inch thick. i talked to rick in oregon and rob in colorado that have the same program and rob in colorado true flight is $1800 program with samsung tablet. weather added for $500 extra dollars. vista with rick in oregon is 1300 for the samsung tablet then 4oo for the program and the more you add weather, and more program goes on out to about 3800 if you want the moon and stars. I had a garmin the screen is to small and the weather and all the junk on the screen is hard to see. Now if the garmin 496 gets a larger screen that you can see like the avmap iv screen are the lowrance 2000c screen now you are talking about a nice unit. so there you have it both the vista and true flight are the cats meow as i see it right now, have great flying.
Re: Vista Nav
Has anyone tried the Mountain Scope Program from PCavionics? I recently purchased it and am waiting for the CD to arrive. I bought a refurbished Motion LS800 with a 16GB solid State Hard Drive on Ebay for $1500. I am going to use the WXworx weather reciever. The Mountain scope can give you an efis-like screen if you interface it with a solid state gyro, it is buildable as you go and it was only $500. It gives you a windshield view of terrain even without the solid state gyro. Terrain and Weather for $2500, that is hard to beat. The docking station for the tablet pc will mount nicely to my right side panel since I have nothing over there thanks to my conversion to a center stack panel in my 59' C175XPT.
The Mountain scope can accept multiple GPS feeds, it can default to you IFR GPS serial data for location info, and you can use a USB GPS to serve as a backup and it will automatically change over if the main unit fails.
Re: Vista Nav
"Aviation Consumer" for October 2007 has a favorable article concerning VistaNav. I have interpreted it to say that if you don't want to install a $75K to $100K Chelton Unit, it is the next best thing, although it is not certified. They will be at the AOPA convention in Hartford on October 4, 5, 6. If it looks as good in person as what I have seen and heard in my research of it, I will probably buy one for my 210M.
Re: Vista Nav
Re: Vista Nav
I have a complete VistaNav CIS 2000 system for sale. I have had it installed in an older Mooney M20C mounted in the center of the yoke. That position worked great, but now I am in line for one of the Apsen Avionics units and the vistanav will block the view. This is a CIS200O unit that uses a solid state hard drive so high altitudes are not a problem. It also comes with the WX box so you also get XM weather. The unit works perfectly and will come with the original box and all hardware and accessories. I purchased it directly from Eastern Avionics this past Feb. The total price was $8000. I am selling the complete unit for $4000. Honeywell has actually taken over the VistaNav line from Mercury, but they are actively supporting these units and the data updates.
Please let me know if anyone is interested.
I'm located in Atlanta.
Re: Vista Nav
I have an LS800 with Vistanav, but I wouldn't sell it to my worst enemy. Honeywell has been unbelievably bad. Legacy owners are basically told to go f**k themselves. There is no support, not even any recognition that legacy products exist. Nothing at all online, and when you call the 800 number you get some moron who never heard of Vistanav or AV8OR. Gotta love that name, I'll bet they paid a million dollars for that stroke of genius.
Even the database downloads are terrible; typically 5-8 attempts to download a lousy 215 MB file. I can get larger files in one try on overloaded servers everywhere, but Honeywell can't keep their upgrade servers online for 15 minutes at a time.
I own my airplane and have been flying for 24 years. I hope to fly another 24 years. My panel is ready for a complete makeover but you can rest assured that no Honeywell or Bendix/King garbage will ever contaminate my cockpit. Firms who dump on their customers as a matter of corporate policy don't deserve my business.
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