Would you take 65 000.00

Regards

Jacques

I own a 1977 and am considering the GAMIjectors and JPI 700. What has been your experience with them?

Hawk XP's tend to be overpriced. I guess some people are afraid of the insurance difference. But, after 100hrs in type it is only a couple hundred bucks.
Take your $65K and buy a nice older 182.
Better take off and cruise performance. The book number out of the factory at full gross are nice enough. And built stronger than a 172.
Find an older one with manual flaps, stol kit and a big tail.
I get off the ground in 500 ft. with my wife and two kids. My dirt strip is at 5180 ele. I cruise to AK (home) and back each year and get 9.5 gph at 130kts. Ay sea level and 65 degrees (AK summer) we are usually flying in 250ft. Then you can "get out of where you can land".
Am I biased; probably so. But I have owned both and would not own a slant tail airplane (no rudder down slow) that is underpowered and over priced. Look at the specs below. Also go to Valdez, AK website May Day Fly-in (http://www.valdezalaska.org/events/flyIn/flyIn.html) and look at the short field TO and Landing competetion results. 182's consistantly win the heavy touring class.
Blue skies
John

COMPARE THE SPECS!!!

CESSNA 172 SKYHAWK XP
Engine: CONT I0-360-K  75% Cruise: 130 kts  Wingspan: 35.83 ft
Horsepower: 195  Stall: 47 kts  Length: 27.16 ft
Rec'd TBO: 1500 hrs  Range: 570 nm  Height: 8.83 ft
   Svr Ceiling: 17000 ft  Empty Wt: 1572 lbs
Std Fuel: 52 gal  Rate of Climb: 870 ft/min  Gross Wt: 2550 lbs
Max Fuel: 68 gal     
Takeoff (over 50 ft obstacle): 1360 ft
Landing (over 50 ft obstacle): 1345 ft
Takeoff: 960 ft
Landing: 575 ft
URL: www.cessna.com
Telephone: 800-423-7762


CESSNA 182A SKYLANE '57
Engine: CONT O-470-L  75% Cruise: 134 kts  Wingspan: 36.00 ft
Horsepower: 230  Stall: 49 kts  Length: 25.08 ft
Rec'd TBO: 1500 hrs  Range: 565 nm  Height: 8.58 ft
   Svr Ceiling: 19800 ft  Empty Wt: 1625 lbs
   Rate of Climb: 1030 ft/min  Gross Wt: 2650 lbs
Max Fuel: 65 gal     
Takeoff (over 50 ft obstacle): 1080 ft
Landing (over 50 ft obstacle): 1310 ft
Takeoff: 555 ft
Landing: 560 ft
URL: www.cessna.com
Telephone: 800-423-7762

I suppose I could have started it with " If you have $65,000. to spend, maybe you should consider an early 182". It is not my intent to hurt feelings; just shed some light.

Kristopher says:  some do not want the heavy feel of the bigger airplane. I love straight tails and Johnson bars too, that's why I fly a 175 with the IO-360 engine. Light, quick, agile...

Lets see...Heavy & Bigger
78 xp    1572lbs 35.86 wingspan Length: 27.16 ft
57 182A  1625lbs 36.00 wingspan Length: 25.08 ft
Difference 47lbs   .14                    .08

       ...Quick
78 xp Takeoff: 960 ft     75% Cruise: 130 kts
182 a Takeoff: 555 ft     75% Cruise: 134 kts
Difference     405 ft                   4 kts

       ...Agile  slant tail/omni vision -VS- slant back tall tail
We both know the answer to that!

Yes they are 20 years apart. But after the first 10 or so years; total time; damage history, use, care and environment play a much bigger role in value and safety.

NAAA Estimated Value  1978 Hawk XP
$52,800 low   $82,500 high  $64,450 this model

That said… Lets look at the 175 Skylark (Truly for the bargain hunter)
The GO-300 has really hurt this planes resale (unfairly for the most part).

Trade-A-Plane has 5 online today to compare.
$25,750 to $29,000 for the GO-300 models.
$39,900 to $75,000. for the 0-470 models.


CESSNA 175 SKYLARK '58
Engine: CONT GO-300-A     75% Cruise: 117 kts     Wingspan: 36.00 ft
Horsepower: 175     Stall: 46 kts     Length: 24.00 ft
Rec'd TBO: 1200 hrs     Range: 560 nm     Height: 8.67 ft
     Svr Ceiling: 15900 ft     Empty Wt: 1395 lbs
     Rate of Climb: 850 ft/min     Gross Wt: 2350 lbs
Max Fuel: 52 gal         
Takeoff (over 50 ft obstacle): 1340 ft Landing (over 50 ft obstacle): 1220 ft
Takeoff: 735 ft Landing: 590 ft

For sale 1977 Cessna 172 XP 195 hp. 2500 TT,450 SMOH, 480 PROP SMOH, NEW LEATHER INTERIOR, NEW PAINT AND NEW GLASS ALL AROUND. CONTACT ME @ 407-230-4899. Presently in Everett Wa.

very interested what does it have for avionics could you send pics and specs thanks Dave  phone number 970 391 1332