Cessna 182 & 210

Cessna 182 & 210

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I own a Piper 160, but want to upgrade to something with more room and more payload, like a 182. However, in reviewing the ads, I am noticing 1960s 210s seem way too inexpensive. Educate me, is there a problem with them? Am I missing something? Also, if you have advice regarding a 182 for under 65K, I appreciate it and thank you in advance.

Brad

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A 182 for under 65K?
You get what you pay for.

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Also...good luck on finding anyone to insuere
an old 210...check Lloyds of London.

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Thanks for the advice, Mox. Do you know of anything particular about these old 210s, e.g. was there an engine problem, design flaw, etc...? Is the 260 motor too underpowpered for a 6 place airplane?

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Check out this link...and then talk
to some 210 owners.
http://aircraftbuyersguide.com/index.html

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Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. I've got enough money to buy, but not to waste!


Brad

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I hope you will continue to let us know your progress brad.

I fly a 150 now in a club and have opted to purchase a 182 on my own. My reasons are that I want a true 4 place aircraft that will be good for x country as well.

I am wondering about about the OH and avionics. I have a truly fine airframe with 1334 hours TTAF&E It has been a hanger queen for the last 15 years, but it is in a well ventilated hanger, and on concrete (on blocks) The paint and glass is excellent condition as is the lovely green interior (plastic still on the floor carpeting)

I am wondering which way to go for the engine... of course I don't know what I'll find until I get it out and run it. It has outdated avionics (360 channel) so, those are my two main immediate issues. any thoughts on it would be appreciated as well.

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If your really want an airplane that will hold its value and will last you for the rest of your aviation career definitly but a 182! They are wonderful airplanes! My whole life i have been a cessna fan--no affence-- The durability of cessna aircraft is amazing. You will always beable to get parts and there are so many flying today. That proves my statement that they are durable!

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I've never flown a 182, let alone at altitude, but I'd like to know how it performs at DA above 12,500 and fully loaded. With the mfr'rs published service ceilings, it looks as though it should do fine but real world? I don't want the added cost of maintaining a turbo. I'd love to get a Lance for the payload capability but four, ahem, large family members and enough gas to get us to Leadville from SD and back will not cut it with the Lance.

I have a Skylane/Lance budget with a Matrix/Turbo Bonanza mission.

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I'm considering getting a 1980ish 182RG, Does anyone know of an AD list or whether it has time limited parts?
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Al,

See my post to your thread - I am a 1978 Cessna 182RG owner... BTW... I think Cessna stopped making the RG version of the 182 in 1980, maybe it was 1978.  i.e. I don't recall ever seeing a 1981 or later Cessna 182RG.

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Stay away from an older 210.  1973 and up is ok.  1982 and up is excellent.  I have a 1982 and is a terrific airplane.

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I own a 1978 182R. We have had it for the last 7yrs. I have about 3000 hrs. in both piper & cessnas. The 182 is the best all around plane. Aswith the 210 I find it hard to overload. We live in Florida and have flown it all over the country. I spent $30,000 on paint and radios etc. The garmin 530w with trafic and turane make it the best..You can get a plane like this for around 100,000. Don't skimp on your life...

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Still no answer to my question; will a 182 make it out of Leadville in the summertime with three or four adults and enough fuel for Kanab or Las Vegas? DA today would be 10,200. I imagine some days in summer it would clear 12,500.

Any Skylane owners make that trip often? I'm beginning to think I ought to give it up and concentrate on something smaller for shorter trips at lower altitudes.

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Steve you need a turbo 182 or fly on cold days.  Leadville is hard for the average Joe to estimate because few lightplane guys fly out of there. I have a buddy who flys a 172/180hp out of Telluride in the summer and he says its a two seater and morning/evening flier.  The 182 would be a three seater with the same bias.

Brad,

You can absolutely find a decent 182 for 65K. I've been studying the market diligently for the last three months and I see prices dropping everywhere (incl. my PA28-180). You wont find a showplane for 65K but I've seen up to 1972 182's that are nice enough for your price range.

Try barnstormers.com and tradeaplane.com and search the C182 ads. Some owners choose to insulate themselves from market conditions by thinking that once their planes are worth 85K, they'll stay that price or better forever.  I think it is a great time to find 182's at prices we haven't seen for years. I personally like the older ones because they are lighter and perform better, but you have to do your homework and have a good prebuy (annual, hopefully) before you buy.  Let the snivelers sit there on the fence forever.

Just my .02

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Brad

Your post is a little old, but I'll toss in my 2 cents anyway.

I bought a 1969 C-182 with good paint and interior in January this year. It has a Garmin 530 (no WAAS) coupled to an STEC-50. It was at my home airport, so I got to fly it a couple of times before I made the decision. A full Annual was in the deal. I had to repair the transponder and rebuild the DG for about $500, which weren't caught in annual. I suggest having an avionics shop look at it before you pull the trigger. 

I paid $52k for it as it had been on the market for a while. The owner wanted more, but I presented him with Vref (paid program) prices which showed that the value was decreased because of the time on the engine and airframe.

Take note of the hours remaining on the engine. An overhaul will cost you $28k and TBO is only 1500 hours. Mine has about 400 hrs left. 

As far as performance, The 1969 model has a ceiling of 18k, but the charts go to 20k. I'm told it will climb to 20k without any problem. When I'm IFR rated (hopefully this month) I'll try to venture into Class Alpha for the first time.

I've only had her loaded with 4 passengers once. There was plenty of power for take off with 10deg flaps at 95F and 5000' elevation (Grand Junction). The performance hit was noticeable on climb out and landing. This was pushing the weight with full fuel and I probably won't do this again in the summer. 

I've been to Gunnison (7800') twice with one passenger, and fly regularly to Denver Centennial through Marshall Pass, which I cross at 13,000'.

OTOH, the flight schools in Grand Junction fly mostly 160hp 172's and give lessons all summer long. They don't fly into Leadville in the summer, though. You can find lots of lift in the mountains on most days to go most anywhere you want. Getting off the ground underpowered is another problem, though.

As part of his sales pitch, the new owner who bought a 210, told me that the new airplane didn't go faster or have better performance, but it did let him carry 2 more passengers and helped him burn more fuel.

Hope some of this helps.

Ken

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I fly my 1971 182 out of Telluride (9100 foot elevation) at near gross in the summer.  Just leave early in the morning and don't expect more than 300-400 ft per minute climb.  Don't mess with the weather and I would never try it on a warm afternoon.

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I have a 210N.  The odd time I dont get a gear down light.  I cycle the gear again and get it.  Any experience on that.  I am fairly confident that it is an indication issue.  The switches are all set properly and clean....

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