Purchasing a 150 ..or not ...??

Purchasing a 150 ..or not ...??

<HTML>I have been thinking about obtaining my pilots liscense for sometime now. Some questions that I have encountered are as follows:

1) I want to purchase a 150 to use during training and would like input on this idea as well as any info on 1st time buyers.

2) I have intentions of flying in excess of 200 miles from port and have yet to find any articles on the comfort of the 150 on long distances. I took an intro course and found quarters to be quite cramped. Wheres the head on these things?

3) What deductions, if any,  would I be allowed since the majority of airtime will be for business?

4) my main intention is simple? I Travel frequently in the midwest, northeast and northwest for work as well as south for pleasure. Once I am there I stay from apx. 2 weeks to 3 months and possibly longer/shorter depeding on the job requirements. I have logged well over 70,000 miles in less than 2 yrs and well, to be quite honest, tired of traffic.. jams.

5) I know I am far from this, however, what types of small amphibious craft are availably?

6) what are the limitations on the 150 as far as weather conditions?

7) after evaluating the performance characteristics of the 150, what other manufacturers and models are out there that perform better yet similar in size?

Any other info or considerations would be greatly appreciated !

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<HTML>In my personal opinion,the 150 is one of the toughest little planes ever built,Theyre very forgiving,and were originally built for students...I have a 1970 150k,and after the wife and myself restored it,unprgaded it to IFR,I finished my private(after 25 years) and shes now working on hers.
Obviously there is little room for "thrashing about" and weve found that about two hours on one hop is all we care to handle,we land,stretch our legs,eat,and back up.
Economy-wise you cant beat the fuel economy,and ease of maintenance,Annuals are typically cheap,and even a Major engine Overhaul is in-expensive(by todays standards).I suspect there are just as many 152s out there as 150s,and the difference is fairly suttle,the 152 has a 110 HP Lycoming engine,and a maximum flap range of 30 degrees,while the 150 has a Continental 0-200 100 horse engine,and 40 degrees max flaps.As far as more room in the 152,there is some improvement,but not much,and as far as comparing airborne carachteristics,theyre almost Identical.The "V" speeds are a little different,but very close.
IF youre serious about getting youre license,and continuing to fly afterward,ownership is the way to go,but if youre main goal is to get the license,and then occasionally go zoomin,I suspect rental is youre best option.Drop me an email Ill give you some specifics(in my case)....Tailwinds</HTML>

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<HTML>The 150 is a great little (emphasis on "little") airplane.  It's safe, reliable, fun to fly, inexpensive to operate and maintain, and has historically held its value quite well.  I owned one for several years in the early 1980s, and flew it from California to Florida and back.  They're no speed demons, and space is a little cramped (especially if you're over six feet tall and/or weigh more than 200 pounds).  There really aren't a lot of competitive airplanes made in the large numbers as the 150 and 152 (the large number of airplanes manufactured translates into a larger selection when shopping and readily available parts).

If you find the 150 cramped, you might also look at 172s.  The 172 is also a very safe, easily maintained airplane available in large numbers, and is faster with more room than a 150.  It burns about 8 gallons per hour instead of 5-6 gallons per hour, but it's a more solid platform for instrument flying and has lots more elbow room.

As far as amphibians are concerned, the choices are pretty limited.  There are some interesting homebuilts (Osprey 2, Coot, etc.), but there's lots of time and effort in building one.  As far as small production amphibians are concerned, there's the Lake and the Seabee.  You really have to be careful with amphibians, though, since many are older and have substantial corrosion.  This is especially serious when the corrosion gets to structural parts of the airframe, and often it's not obvious to a casual observer.

For the type of flying you're considering, I think I'd be looking at older, low time 172s.  They're simple (fixed gear, fixed prop, low compression normally aspirated engine), reliable, reasonably fast, safe, hold their value well, and are a lot roomier than the 150 you took your intro flight in.  There are lots of older 172s on the market, and my advise would be to take your time and have a mechanic (A&P) you trust do a thorough pre-purchase inspection on any airplane you're seriously considering.</HTML>

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<HTML>"7) after evaluating the performance characteristics of the 150, what other manufacturers and models are out there that perform better yet similar in size?",
  Well, the Gemini space-capsule fits that specification!  (grin)</HTML>

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<HTML>My experience with my 150 is all positive, so far. I fly 2-hour hops a lot, and I just enjoy the heck out of the flights. Evan at 100mph, after you "straighten the roads out" you sure get to your destination a lot faster than in a car, and have more fun doing it. I'm not IFR, but my airport has 360 VFR days per year so I don't miss it too much. The 150 is a very reliable and safe airplane, in my opinion. Also, I'm 5'10" tall but weigh only 170, and I don't feel cramped in the cockpit. The seat can get a little hard after 2 hours, so get the seats reupholstered (using proper approved material) or bring a pillow.</HTML>

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<HTML>We all have our mentors, and one of mine is a WW2 aviator named Beryl Minard, who's flown and is rated in so many different airplanes it  takes two license forms to list all the type ratings.  (no kidding).  He has more time over the outer marker than most of us have total time.
  A few years ago I was about ready to fulfill my lifelong dream of owning an amphibian.  I was in love with the idea of a Widgeon, or Goose but I was really getting fired up for a Republic Seabee  I'd found in my price range.  Getting prepared to start pre-buy inspections on a couple, I called Beryl to see if he'd go along (he's also an A&P and is rated in several amphibs, and has time in Seabees) to assist me in making an evaluation.   I'll never forget his words.
  "Tell me, George.  Just what is it about Seabees that you really like?  The fact that they're an unwieldy, underpowered, slow, and poor-handling airplane?  Or that they're a lousy boat?"
   It was just what I needed to save myself a lot of money and trouble. ;Þ</HTML>

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