Millenium Cylinders

Millenium Cylinders

<HTML>Hey George


Why not the millenium cylinders.
and what's the difference between
those and other types


Vaughn</HTML>

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<HTML>Boy, Vaughn!  You really want to get me in trouble with folks who have a different opinion, don't you!!?  The Chevy/Ford argument wasn't enough, huh!!?  Ha!
Well, Superior did general aviation a big favor in producing their Millenium cylinders.  By producing their own copy of the TCM cylinders they moved TCM to get off their dead b-tts and start making parts again for our engines!
Unfortunately two things happened as the result.  One, they made a bunch of faulty cylinders that wore out in only a couple hundred hours.  Two, their warranty department was less than cheerful or willing to fix the problem.  Three, it still cost the customers more down time and mechanic bills.
About the only thing that saved Superior was that TCM screwed up their first set of new cylinders as well with some manufacturing errors of their own.
After the dust has all settled now, TCM is making good quality cylinders and parts again, and Superior claims they've solved their problems as well.  The reason that I prefer the TCM parts is 1) because they ARE TCM, and it's hard for me to argue with the original mfr.,  and 2) because I still receive reports that Superior is being slow to stand behind their products when there's a warranty problem.  (And apparently there still is a warranty problem because the issue just hasn't gone away with Millenium cylinders, while the TCM cylinder complaints have all but disappeared.)
Keep in mind that the only reason Millenium cylinders started out with such appeal was because at first they were the ONLY cylinders that could still be purchased that were NEW.  (At least at the time they were introduced.  After all, that's exactly why they were produced.)  That is no longer a valid argument, now that TCM is making cylinders again.
Of course, an argument in favor of Milleniums is, that if it weren't for Superior's willingness to take a chance on the costs, and if Superior hadn't actually produced the Millenium cylinders, then TCM would've quite happily allowed us all to go down the way of the passenger pigeon.  Efforts like that of Superior's deserve to be rewarded with our business. 
So, ...if you can become convinced that Superior will stand behind their product, and if your overhauler will stand behind the Milleniums to the point of stating they'll redo their work if the cylinders need warranty replacement, and if you're willing to take the chance on the downtime and loss of use,...then Milleniums might be worth your consideration.</HTML>

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<HTML>George has some valid points(as always) From my own experience,Ive bought 4 kits for the 150...Itll be awhile before theyre installed,as were closing on a new house next week,HOWEVER...My A&P has run Milleniums on 3 Club C-150s,and all three engines have gone to TBO,and the cyiliders are in their second run.There have been no removals for any reason.I looked at TCMs cylinders,and seriously considered going with them,but got a few more suggestions from actual field use,and decided on the Milleniums instead.
This is indeed a Chevy/Dodge/Ford situation.......I own a Honda.</HTML>

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<HTML>One thing I could never understand with Millenium Cylinders is why I've never (and I mean never *ever*) had a problem with a Milleniums on a Lycoming engine.

But put one on a Continental engine and they fall to pieces.  Maybe it's the different design or production casting lines I don't know.

I do run Milleniums whenever I can on Lycoming engines simply because I've never found a cracked one.  The only glitch I've run into with them was a casting defect for clearance around the push rod tubes back in the start of this year.

Ford, Chevy....if it's built after 1995 you can't really work on it anyway so where's the argument?
I'll keep my carbureted, non-emission controlled, no crumple zoned vehicle running long after anything you buy today has been recycled into soda cans and the plastic thingy that holds them together ;-)

Cheers,
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