12YRS OR 1600 HRS MOTOR?

12YRS OR 1600 HRS MOTOR?

  I HAD A FACTORY NEW MOTOR PUT ON MY PLANE IN 1994 IT ONLY HAS 759 HRS ON IT NOW, DO I HAVE TO DO A REBUILD ON THE MOTOR WHEN IT HITS THE 12 YR MARK THE MOTOR IS A I0-520-BB. IT RUNS GREAT!!
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Re: 12YRS OR 1600 HRS MOTOR?

See the thread "Tips on engine overhaul" a little futher down the forum.

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My '68 model 0-470-R was removed for overhaul in '93 with 1984 hrs on it.  The engine was running fine with good compression in the low 70's.
As I recall, one cylinder had been repaired due to a bad exhaust valve
This is only my personal experience.  It's not a suggestion or recommendation to push limits.

My mechanic and I decided that the "R" model was for "RIGHT"

Michael

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Hi AJK: For most privately owned planes, less than a 100 hours a year seems the norm. I had my engine overhauled in 2001 at 1500 hours... I have a 1958 Skylane with an O-470L, the same basic engine as yours. It was overhauled once before in 1966. Yeppers... went 35 years twixt majors at 1500 hour intervals. Other than having the cylinders off to replace the exhust valves per service bulletin, it went to the 1500 hour TBO without a miss. Engine was rebuild to new standards and still has the original crank, rods, case and cam and tappets. Soooo... FLY ON. Blue skies to you, Bob

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If you have a lot of resources, I'm a believer in predictive maintenance.  Oil anaysis, vibration analysis, thermography, compression checks, NDE exams, volumetric exams etc.  But is it enough and even practical on the airplanes we fly.

There is an article on TBO's in the August Cessna Owners magazine that discusses some realistic performance parameters and some cautions about waiting too long.  But it only discussed excessive hours not excessive time.  I didn't think it was very comprehensive but adressed some issues.

Aging from excessive time depends on the environment and materials.  If the plane is hangared and kept cool not too cold in a moderately dry environment, the hoses and elastomers will last longer.  But will the cylinder gaskets dry out from lack of use?  Was the engine oil changed regularly (4 month intervals) even though the engine didn't run 50 hours?  Was the openings to the engine covered if left in a climate with high humidity?  I would guess it is hard to imagine one answer to your question as each plane "lives" its own life.

A lot of questions and few answers.....  You and your mechanic know the plane best.  I guess use common sense and save your pennies for your reserve fund.  If you have been keeping one, then the decision isn't so painful. 

BOTTOM LINE:  I guess if you are right in your decision, you should always do your Major Overhaul too soon.  Being wrong and doing it too late can be harmful to other parts of your plane or yourself, if the engine quits in flight.  If you wait too long, at best, it may be a more expensive overhaul than you though it would be.

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This is an interesting topic.  My C172 with an O300 has about 700 hours on a major that was performed in 1969. 34 years ago!  I have not had any problems but have been wondering myself about that amount of time that has passed.  If it holds out a few more years I'd like to have it replaced with a 180HP smile

       Dave

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An O-300 that has lasted 34 + years, working just fine, and it's reward is.....the trash heap?  I'd rebuild it.

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It's reward is certainly not the trash heap, I just want something with a little more HP under the cowl.  I'm not really looking to go faser, but a brisker climb on warm days would really be nice smile

I don't really plan on doing anything to the engine until I have too, it's running strong, good compression, mid 70's and burns virtually no oil..

     Dave

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Yeah, I guess "trash heap" was a little strong,....we all know you'd really exchange it and it'd go back into the parts-pool somewhere.  But you don't say which airplane you've got this in.  The IO-520 is almost the top-end of TCM's engine line, with hp ratings running from 285 - 310 and up.  You might find an STC or get a field approval to change the prop, prop gov, and re-schedule the fuel flow and thereby convert the engine to a higher hp "dash" number.  TCM has SB's that address engine conversions to other dash-numbers, and perhaps your engine might qualify.
Otherwise, the only engine that would put out more hp would be the IO-550 series, and that would also entail prop, gov, and other changes including the engine, exhaust, intake, mounts, etc,  ...you can imagine what that costs. ;Þ

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I have a 1956 C172.  I am going to have to do something with the engine in the upcoming years, just not sure what I want to do yet.

   Dave

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Dave: I've flown in 4 banger conversions... be sure you are ready to accept the vibration and accelerated airframe deterioration. You might look into the Continental 360 6 cylinder conversion. Better yet, trade for a Square Tail 182... Bob

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Bob:  I looked at square tail 182 last winter.  The problem I ran into was that the insurance doubles and the operating costs double.  I'd rather not spend the money on that, I'd rather put gas into the plane so I can fly smile

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Bob: What can you tell me about that conversion?

  Dave

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Bob I am also interested in this conversion. I fly a 175.
Thanks Lee

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Hi All: xpmods have got an STC for Continental 210 HP 6 cylinder O-360 into the 170/172 airframe. Lee, I am not sure about Skylark 175's. Maybe you can be the first? Check out this site: <http://www.xpmods.com/enginemods/default.asp> Also I've heard that there is a stc for putting a O-470 into 175'S. I have a 182 Squaretail, never flew anything but 150's and 172's until I went to look at it as it was priced the same as some of the 172's I was shopping. With twice the effect HP and constant speed prop, it was love at first flight. Absolutely no comparison...
Blue skies to all, Bob

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Bob, Thanks...Lee

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Price out some of those conversions....If you can get the engine cheap and the STC, maybe still around $30K for that O-470 conversion.

Bill

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From what I've read from Lycoming, the 12 year time to O/H is for engines that have sat for long periods of time without being preserved or even had the oil changed within 3 months. Condensation collects inside the engine and will rust components if the engine hasn't been run long enough to get it hot to evaporate the water or the oil hasn't been changed periodically every 50 hrs or 3 months whichever comes first.

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From TCM Service Information Letter SIL 98-9A, "Time Between Overhaul Periods":

"Whether the engine has been operated regularly or has been in storage; gaskets, seals synthetic and natural rubber goods deteriorate over time. Environmental corrosion can occur internally and externally on the engine. This naturally occurring process can inevitably affect continued airworthiness of the engine and engine mounted components and accessories. For these reasons, overhaul the engine at least every twelve (12) years, or on accumulation of the operating hours listed for the engine model."

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